Curse

Konig Des Todes · Aug 11, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

I'd rather have an option to REMOVE stuff from the Hall, so that perhaps you could remove dedication AND exposition alltogether.

I like this idea better then the OP.

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

Any intresting thought but what if people reaped the reward from the monument in GW2 and then removed all their miniatures from the monument? Obviously there would have to be something to prevent this but otherwise also an excelent idea I may add.

Simple. Cannot remove after the GW1 account is linked to a GW2 account. Also, make it so you have to have the mini pet and it was you who dedicated it.

But to go on my thoughts for why this should not happen. If you dedicated it, you were warned, sell it to someone who wants mini pets but doesn't care if they're dedicated (still a few out there). If you didn't dedicate it, your fault for buying it.

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

As I've said in other suggestion sections, there is only ONE way I would admit something like this:

1.- The Monument of Devotion becomes account wide.
2.- Accounts must have more that 1 of that miniature before the change to account wide.
3.- Players must have one already dedicated copy of that miniature for each miniature of that kind they want to un-dedicate..
4.- The character can un-dedicate SURPLUS miniatures and ONLY the SURPLUS.

For example:
- You dedicated 1 Hydras: You cannot undedicate any.
- You dedicated 6 Wallows. You have no dedicated wallows in your inventory. You cannot undedicate any.
- You dedicated 3 Siege Turtles. You have 1 dedicated Siege Turle in your inventory. You can undedicate ONE Siege turtle.
- You dedicated 2 Necrid Horsemen. You have 4 dedicated Necrid Horsemen. You can undedicate 1
Necrid Horsmen.

That way and ONLY that. Otherwise, not.

I'll /sign for this idea too.

fowlero · Aug 11, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Ehhhh why?

If you don't want a dedicated miniature, don't dedicate it or buy one that isn't dedicated...?

crazybanshee · Aug 11, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Wow, then you could totally pay to uncustomize weapons, maybe even armor etc etc. Nah, just buy the mini's unded. Sucks that some are really rare, I'll never be able to afford em, but this is just silly.

credit · Aug 11, 2008, 10:48 PM // 22:48

I am not convinced that this is needed.

/notsigned

nekopowa · Aug 11, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

Easily exploitable, i don't think it's a good idea.

/notsigned

Dark Kal · Aug 12, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

@ anyone saying uncustomizeable weapons/armor/whatever: That's not what I'm argueing eventhough there are certain simularities there are also major differences between the two subjects. Therefor I'm not argueing them (I could but I'm not going to).

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

1.- The Monument of Devotion becomes account wide.
2.- Accounts must have more that 1 of that miniature before the change to account wide.
3.- Players must have one already dedicated copy of that miniature for each miniature of that kind they want to un-dedicate..
4.- The character can un-dedicate SURPLUS miniatures and ONLY the SURPLUS.

For example:
- You dedicated 1 Hydras: You cannot undedicate any.
- You dedicated 6 Wallows. You have no dedicated wallows in your inventory. You cannot undedicate any.
- You dedicated 3 Siege Turtles. You have 1 dedicated Siege Turle in your inventory. You can undedicate ONE Siege turtle.
- You dedicated 2 Necrid Horsemen. You have 4 dedicated Necrid Horsemen. You can undedicate 1
Necrid Horsmen.

That way and ONLY that. Otherwise, not.

Your idea is much more exploitable than mine. All I have to do is buy one starter dedicated miniature which I can never sell, then I just always buy two dedicated miniatures, undedicated one and resell both. As long as the price of two dedicated miniatures is cheaper than one undedicated miniature (as there are some now) I can keep abusing your system. Therefor your system would have an economical impact, mine would not. Also your system would need an additional way of telling which miniatures can be used to undedicate and which can not, making the system even more complex. For these reasons I can't support your idea.

I realize my price list isn't optimal either but I'm not going through the trouble of writing a detailed price list for something I know will never make it in the game. This is purely a theoretic argument, a "What if?" argument if you will.

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Originally Posted by nekopowa

Easily exploitable, i don't think it's a good idea.

/notsigned

It's not exploitable that was my entire point. If you do believe it's exploitable explain to me how.

Div · Aug 12, 2008, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Once again, this is as bad as wanting to uncustomize customized weapons.

tmakinen · Aug 12, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15

Let's say that it would cost X gold to undedicate a mini whose current undedicated and dedicated market values are Vu and Vd, respectively.

If X >= Vu - Vd there's no point in undedicating since you can always get a new one cheaper or at the same price from the market.

If X < Vu - Vd you're effectively exploiting the system.

Doesn't leave much wiggle room.

upier · Aug 12, 2008, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

/notsigned as it more or less kills Monument of Devotion. I would /sign it the "undedicating" process was only possible for the person who dedicated it and if the miniature would be removed from that person's HoM. And you need another set of prices for "limited edition" minis.

The bolded part.
Otherwise /not signed.

MithranArkanere · Aug 12, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

Your idea is much more exploitable than mine. All I have to do is buy one starter dedicated miniature which I can never sell, then I just always buy two dedicated miniatures, undedicated one and resell both. As long as the price of two dedicated miniatures is cheaper than one undedicated miniature (as there are some now) I can keep abusing your system. Therefor your system would have an economical impact, mine would not. Also your system would need an additional way of telling which miniatures can be used to undedicate and which can not, making the system even more complex. For these reasons I can't support your idea.

What? You didn't understand what I wrote. Read it again.

If you buy one dedicated miniature, you can't dedicate it. You must have already dedicated miniatures.
Once the monument becomes account wide, the system would count how many of them were in the account, and save that.
Then, you'll be able to remove the surplus ones:
You had 3 Hydras, can un-dedicate 2:
- Undedicate 1, you have 1 remaining.
- Undedicate another one, you can't undedicate anymore, the third hydra stays in the monument of devotion no matter what you do.
So you can't do anything 'always'.
Dedicate one miniature, get two undedicated and you can't do ANYTHING.
Get 2 non-dedicated. Dedicate them both and you can only undedicate ONE.
And after the monument of devotion ecomes account wide, you woulld be able to recover the extra ones, like if only one miniature of each type had bee dedicated to the monument.

The monument is not account wide (now):
- You have 3 hydras not dedicated.
- You dedicate the 3 hydras with 3 different characters to their respective monuments.
- You can't undedicate any.
- You end up with 3 dedicated hydras items, and 3 hydras dedicated in 3 different monuments of 3 different characters.
- Now wait for the HoM update

The monument becomes account wide (after the update):
- The system counts how many hydras were dedicated in the account.
- The system counts 3.
- Since there can be only 1 hydra dedicated per account, you can recover now 2 hydras.
- You undedicate 2 hydras by giving away 2 dedicated hydras to the monument.
- You can't undedicate any more hydras. Since there are no more 'surplus' over 1.
- You can't dedicate any more hydras. There is already one in the account. You'll have to sell, give away, discard, trade to other account the other 2 miniatures, or just keep them in the storage. Whatever you like most..
- You end up with 1 dedicated and 2 undedicated hydras items, and 1 hydra dedicated for the whole account.

My idea would make things like should have been since the release of EotN. It would a 'refund' like with the gems in the Anguish. You won't create anything. You'll recover the ones you won't have dedicated if the monument was account-wide from the startay.

So my idea affects only those that have dedicated the same miniature with more than one character, and those ONLY.

If you just want to remove any dedicated miniature without conditions at all, sorry, but NO. If you had just one miniature, you should thing through before dedicating it, and if you mistook the character, after such an update, it won't mind which character dedicated the miniature, it would have been account wide, so there won't be any reason to remove the last miniature from the account.

I would only accept a refund, only for the surplus of miniatures and only if the monument becomes account wide.